The Patriots

by Roderick C. Meredith

I have before me two newspaper articles with which I strongly disagree. Although I generally love the Wall Street Journal and find its articles and editorials very helpful and stimulating, the articles I am referring to are written in my opinion-- by a couple of "educated fools" --well-known scientist Richard Dawkins and religion writer Karen Armstrong. In an article titled "Man vs. God" (WSJ, September 12, 2009), they "debated" evolution, science and the role of religion. Dawkins came down hard against the idea of a real God and against religion in general. He asserted, "Evolution is the universe's greatest work. Evolution is the creator of life, and life is arguably the most surprising and most beautiful production that the laws of physics have ever generated."

Dawkins went on making fun of God and describing the glories of evolution. But is his kind of reasoning based on fact? Is his supposed "scientific approach" all neat and tidy?

No!

For in his remarks praising "Darwinian life" and denigrating God, Dawkins cheerfully said, "What is so special about life? It never violates the laws of physics. Nothing does (if anything did, physicists would just have to formulate new laws ' --it's happened often enough in the history of science). But although life never violates the laws of physics, it pushes them into unexpected avenues that stagger the imagination."

Do you see Dawkin's problem? He starts out with an already existing universe. This universe has basic "laws" which he admits are never broken! Later, he goes on to admit, once again, "Never once are the laws of physics violated, yet life emerges into uncharted territory."

Think about this preposterous reasoning!

This supposed "great" scientist admits that "never once are the laws of physics violated." Yet he somehow fails to grasp that something or someone had to create these laws of physics and the entire universe that is filled with inviolate laws. It is obvious to most truly sincere and thinking persons that the interrelated and overlapping laws of physics, chemistry, and other areas of science must have been created by a Higher Power--an awesome Being--with a mind far above the human mind. He set in motion these laws and created the beauty, the delicacy and the constancy of this universe to sustain the laws that govern our lives.

As letter-writer Joseph Furman replied a week later in response to the article: "I only had two semesters of college physics, so I must have missed the part where Mr. Dawkins' much vaunted laws of physics began permitting man to love, laugh and cry" (WSJ, September 19, 2009).

Who indeed brought about the creative mind which man alone possesses--and the ability to back off and laugh at himself, to love, and to sometimes give with no thought of a return, and to have a deep spiritual longing with recognition that there must be a higher power?

The so-called "scientists" who try to bypass the basic fact of an entire universe filled with consistent laws and a host of creatures and creations that interact with each other in a way that beautifully "works"--"these people are indeed lacking in understanding and wisdom. As the Psalmist wrote, "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1).

For her part, religion writer Karen Armstrong wandered around with "touchy feely" ideas that frankly prove nothing. She stated, "The best theology is a spiritual exercise, akin to poetry. Religion is not an exact science but a kind of art form that, like music or painting, introduces us to a mode of knowledge that is different from the purely rational and which cannot easily be put into words."

Indeed, she had a hard time rationally putting her ideas into words! It is sad that, in the name of "religion," this kind of response was chosen to supposedly rebut the atheist Richard Dawkins. For, her response showed no understanding of true religion--nor of a genuine approach to the God of the Bible.

Part of the problem facing these confused individuals is revealed in Aldous Huxley's statement in his well-known book, Ends and Means. This famous thinker and philosopher admits, "Most ignorance is invincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know. It is our will that decides how and upon what subjects we shall use our intelligence. Those who detect no meaning in the world generally do so because, for one reason or another, it suits their books that the world should be meaningless" (p. 312).

Indeed, it is not "fashionable" to believe in a real God. For people like to deny the truth of revealed prophecy in His inspired word, the Bible. But the truth remains! If you have not already done so, write for your free subscription to our Tomorrow's World Bible Study Course. There, you will learn for yourself the truth about fulfilled prophecy. You will see, for example, how God inspired Isaiah to write about the activities of King Cyrus of Persia 200 years in advance--"events confirmed by secular history and your Bible! Yes, my friends, this is a real God! Is He real to you?

People soon will have to believe in God--for He is right now beginning to intervene powerfully in world affairs in very specific ways which we at Tomorrow's World have been telling you about for years! Fulfilled prophecy is very difficult for the skeptic to refute. For it not only has happened--as I indicated--"but you can now see it continuing to happen all around you, if you truly understand prophecy and read your daily newspaper or watch a television channel that actually gives world news.

This very Work--which produces the Tomorrow's World television program and Tomorrow's World magazine--is a continuation of the Work led by Herbert W. Armstrong--a well-known servant of Christ who died in 1986 at age 93. In August 1950, he wrote in The Plain Truth magazine, "No all-out full-scale war is prophesied between Russia and the United States. The famous prophecy of Ezek. 38 and 39 foretells a Russian invasion of Palestine, much later, not against the North American continent" (p. 2).

Remember, dear reader, that back then the vast majority of Bible "prophecy students" were proclaiming that Ezekiel 38 foretold a Russian attack on the North American continent! Often, as we have noted repeatedly, Mr. Armstrong stood alone in proclaiming the Truth of what actually was and is happening in world affairs.

Writing in The Good News in April 1952, Mr. Armstrong proclaimed (at a time virtually no one expected this): "Russia may give East Germany back to the Germans and will be forced to relinquish her control over Hungary, Czechoslovakia and parts of Austria to complete the ten nation union. Europe will have a free hand to destroy America and Britain as prophesied" (p. 16).

How could Mr. Armstrong possibly have known 37 years in advance that Russia was not to become America's greatest challenge--and was not to attack us directly? How could he have known that Russia would, in fact, give East Germany back to the Germans and be forced to relinquish her control over Germany, Czechoslovakia and parts of Austria?

Because, my friends, there is a real God who inspired this information in His Holy Bible! That same God is speaking to your mind now through this Work! We have told you that unless America and the British-descended peoples come to a genuine national repentance such as has never been seen before, they will continue their downward spiral! Almost everything will seem to go wrong. For the Eternal God told our forefathers that if we do not obey His commandments and statutes, He would bring upon us "terror" and then "wasting disease and fever" (Leviticus 26:14-17). We have witnessed--and will continue to witness--all kinds of terror, including terrorist attacks on our cities, our seaports, our airports, our railway stations and our other forms of transport. And we will soon be entering a time of "wasting disease" such as we have never experienced before.

God tells us that if we will not repent, He "will break the pride of your power" (Leviticus 26:19).

To understand these facts, please write for our free booklets, The Real God: Proofs and Promises and Prophecy Fulfilled: God's Hand in World Affairs. You need this vital information! You need to have the intellectual and spiritual honesty to prove to yourself that most of the "educated fools" around you who deny God's existence are the ones who are really "out of touch"!

And you need--with all your heart--to get "in touch" with the real God who gives you life and breath, who is now intervening in human affairs before setting up His very real Kingdom or World Government to finally bring peace to a very confused world. May God help you to be willing to face genuine facts. And may He help you to act on the precious Truth that He alone can provide!

Dr. Roderick C. Meredith is editor in chief of Tomorrow's World magazine. His article is reprinted from the Nov. - Dec. 2009 issue, "The Truth About 2012: Hollywood vs. Humanity". Republished here by special permission from the Living Church of God.

{We have no way of testing this piece's allegations beyond what is available to the general public. Prison Planet claims that the story is bogus, citing a letter from Bullion Vault's Adrian Ash. However in response: (1) Bullion vault is not without vested interest. (2) The article does not claim that the gold bars had been hollowed out but plated. (3) The difference in density would NOT show in a 400 ounce bar as the specific gravities of gold and Tungsten are identical at 19.3. Densities differ in the third decimal place, i.e. 0.692 to 0.697, ib/in3 (Perry's Ch.E. Handbook 4th Edition) with only a 0.72% difference. Drilling the bar would be required. (4) The article does not allege that gold was traded on LBMA. (5) The Federal Reserve has admitted to GATA that it has gold swap arrangements with foreign banks that isn't public information. Much of the Fed's response has been redacted by the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), a supposedly 'separate entity' ,who just happen to have access to the Fed's records. The mere existence of this rumor and the refusal of the Fed to supply complete information on its activities, is reason enough to call for a thorough audit of the system.

7-8-15 UPDATE: The New American suggests in Has the Federal Reserve Sold the Gold at Fort Knox?: "...That’s right: The Federal Reserve — the ultra-secretive central bank that controls the flow of money in the United States — apparently has monopoly control over the gold, too… since 1986, the vaults have literally been sealed shut. The seals were wax with a ribbon running through them connected to a document declaring the vaults sealed…"The Treasury Office Inspector General (OIG), which is currently responsible for the Deep Storage gold audits, has told me it is absolutely not routine to break the seals. Neither for inspection by a US Mint Director nor for the President of the United States will the seals be broken," Jansen writes…In 2010, however, the seals were broken and new, more durable plastic seals replaced the old wax ones. "

4-26-11 UPDATE: Two film reports now corroborate this story

The article is quite lengthy in developing its scenario but well worth the read. It poses some intriguing possibilities into the activities of the Federal Reserve System. Perhaps, this is why the Fed and its Congressional allies, such as Mass Rep. Barney Frank (D) have opposed Ron Paul's bill to audit the Fed while others have blocked it in the Senate. So, if the article's allegations are true, what's left to steal from the country? Just the labor of it's citizens and that's now in progress with Cap and Trade and health care reform. Economic hardship from the forced servitude of ordinary Americans, struggling against outrageous commodity prices, will be used to pay off debt incurred by its never-ending supply of treasonous politicians. - Ed.}

by Anonymous

When I first picked up on this tale, my first reaction was that this was another urban legend. I also thought that counterfeiting a bar of gold was a technical impossibility not having spent time checking out the possibilities. I finally made myself read this more recent item because the story remained persistent and I thought enough time had elapsed for a few obvious questions to be asked.

After reading that gold and tungsten have the same density, I cracked open my handy copy of ‘The Practicing Scientist’s Handbook (1978)’ and got the exact values. The density of gold is 19.32 g/cc and the density for tungsten is 19.3. Ouch! The difference is in the forth significant digit and no one usually measures beyond three significant digits.

To do so is no big trick, but everyone is working on three digits as good enough. One would have needed a very sensitive scale and a very sensitive volumetric device able to show that you were a few grams short on every ten or twenty kilos you were measuring.

The bottom line is that someone made a business out of looting the flow of gold somewhere along its transfer path. Done right, you would simply be in position to swap out replacement bars as needed. This means a cabal of employees was involved in some way or the other. It may even have begun with a single bar. The bar purchased outright was needed to make a dozen or more new bars with proper serial numbers. Then when the real bars were shipped with correct serial numbers, the switch took place. One could then produce a much larger number of bars. In short order you could switch out shipments without any fuss at all.

It will require a full audit of every bar in existence to find out how much has been stolen.

Anyway, before anyone gets excited about all this, it's long overdue for the globe to quit maintaining a gold reserve as if it has anything to do with reserve banking. Canada exited that game decades ago and no one much cares.

Whoever was involved has had ample time to hide and time during the looting process to create excellent escape plans.

In a way this is almost funny. You would have thought that the USA had been embarrassed enough this past year. When markets crash, it's normal for the accumulation of bad acts to become apparent and very public. This bit of skullduggery will not be surpassed for a century or two so I do not think we have to be worried about what is next.

It is difficult to think that this was ever a sanctioned operation because institutional memory would make sure that no fake gold ever went out of country. Most likely a key player retired or died and that was that.

It's one thing to counterfeit a twenty or hundred dollar bill. The amount of financial damage is usually limited to a specific region and only affects dozens of people and thousands of dollars. Secret Service agents quickly notify the banks on how to recognize these phony bills and retail outlets usually have procedures in place (such as special pens to test the paper) to stop their proliferation.

But what about gold? This is the most sacred of all commodities because it is thought to be the most trusted, reliable and valuable means of saving wealth.

A recent discovery -- in October of 2009 -- has been suppressed by the main stream media but has been circulating among the "big money" brokers and financial kingpins and is just now being revealed to the public. It involves the gold in Fort Knox -- the US Treasury gold -- that is the equity of our national wealth. In short, millions (with an "m") of gold bars are fake!

Who did this? Apparently our own government.

Background

In October of 2009 the Chinese received a shipment of gold bars. Gold is regularly exchanged between countries to pay debts and to settle the so-called balance of trade. Most gold is exchanged and stored in vaults under the supervision of a special organization based in London, the London Bullion Market Association (or LBMA). When the shipment was received, the Chinese government asked that special tests be performed to guarantee the purity and weight of the gold bars. In this test, four small holed are drilled into the gold bars and the metal is then analyzed.

Officials were shocked to learn that the bars were fake. They contained cores of tungsten with only an outer coating of real gold. What's more, these gold bars, containing serial numbers for tracking, originated in the US and had been stored in Fort Knox for years. There were reportedly between 5,600 to 5,700 bars, weighing 400 oz. each, in the shipment!

At first many gold experts assumed the fake gold originated in China, the world's best knock-off producers. The Chinese were quick to investigate and issued a statement that implicated the US in the scheme.

According to the Chinese investigation, the balance of this 1.3 million to 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten cache was also gold plated and then allegedly "sold" into the international market. Apparently, the global market is literally "stuffed full of 400 oz salted bars". Perhaps as much as 600-billion dollars worth.

An obscure news item originally published in the N.Y. Post [written by Jennifer Anderson] in late Jan. 04 perhaps makes sense now:

DA investigating NYMEX executive Manhattan, New York, --Feb. 2, 2004. A top executive at the New York Mercantile Exchange is being investigated by the Manhattan district attorney. Sources close to the exchange said that Stuart Smith, senior vice president of operations at the exchange, was served with a search warrant by the district attorney's office last week. Details of the investigation have not been disclosed, but a NYMEX spokeswoman said it was unrelated to any of the exchange's markets. She declined to comment further other than to say that charges had not been brought. A spokeswoman for the Manhattan district attorney's office also declined comment."

The offices of the Senior Vice President of Operations -- NYMEX -- is exactly where you would go to find the records [serial number and smelter of origin] for EVERY GOLD BAR ever PHYSICALLY settled on the exchange. They are required to keep these records. These precise records would show the lineage of all the physical gold settled on the exchange and hence "prove" that the amount of gold in question could not have possibly come from the U.S. mining operations -- because the amounts in question coming from U.S. smelters would undoubtedly be vastly bigger than domestic mine production.

No one knows whatever happened to Stuart Smith. After his offices were raided he took "administrative leave" from the NYMEX and he has never been heard from since. Amazingly, there never was any follow up on in the media on the original story as well as ZERO developments ever stemming from D.A. Morgenthau's office who executed the search warrant.

Are we to believe that NYMEX offices were raided, the Sr. V.P. of operations then takes leave -- all for nothing?

The revelations of additional fake gold bars explains another highly unusual story that also happened in 2004:

LONDON, April 14, 2004 (Reuters) -- NM Rothschild & Sons Ltd., the London-based unit of investment bank Rothschild [ROT.UL], will withdraw from trading commodities, including gold, in London as it reviews its operations, it said on Wednesday. Interestingly, GATA's Bill Murphy speculated about this back in 2004;

What is the GLD?

GLD is a short form for Good London Delivery. The London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) has defined "good delivery" as a delivery from an entity which is listed on their delivery list or meets the standards for said list and whose bars have passed testing requirements established by the association and updated from time to time. The bars have to be pure for AU in an area of 995.0 to 999.9 per 1000. Weight, Shape, Appearance, Marks and Weight Stamps are regulated as follows:

Weight: minimum 350 fine ounces AU; maximum 430 fine ounces AU, gross weight of a bar is expressed in troy ounces, in multiples of 0.025, rounded down to the nearest 0.025 of a troy ounce.

Dimensions: the recommended dimensions for a Good Delivery gold bar are: Top Surface: 255 x 81 mm; Bottom Surface: 236 x 57 mm; Thickness: 37 mm.

Fineness: the minimum 995.0 parts per thousand fine gold. Marks: Serial number; Assay stamp of refiner; Fineness (to four significant figures); Year of manufacture (expressed in four digits).

After reviewing their prospectus yet again, it becomes pretty clear that GLD was established to purposefully deflect investment dollars away from legitimate gold pursuits and to create a stealth, cesspool/catch-all, slush-fund and a likely destination for many of these fake tungsten bars where they would never see the light of day -- hidden behind the following legalese "shield" from the law:

[Excerpt from the GLD prospectus on page 17]

"Gold bars allocated to the Trust in connection with the creation of a Basket may not meet the London Good Delivery Standards and, if a Basket is issued against such gold, the Trust may suffer a loss. Neither the Trustee nor the Custodian independently confirms the fineness of the gold bars allocated to the Trust in connection with the creation of a Basket. The gold bars allocated to the Trust by the Custodian may be different from the reported fineness or weight required by the LBMA's standards for gold bars delivered in settlement of a gold trade, or the London Good Delivery Standards, the standards required by the Trust. If the Trustee nevertheless issues a Basket against such gold, and if the Custodian fails to satisfy its obligation to credit the Trust the amount of any deficiency, the Trust may suffer a loss."

The Gold Antitrust Action Committee (GATA) is an organization which has been nipping at the heels of the US Treasury Federal Reserve for several years now. The basis of GATA's accusations is that these institutions, in coordination with other complicit centralbanks and the large gold trading investment banks in the US, have been manipulating the price of gold for decades.

by Blog Administrator

Eight years ago on September 11, 2001, a plane piloted by 33 year old Mohammed Atta, was the first to crash into the north tower of the World Trade Center. He was the ringleader of 19 Muslim extremists responsible for attacks on New York, Pennsylvania and Washington, DC. Three other hi-jacked aircraft were involved in the attack, a second hitting the south Tower of the trade center, one crashing into the Pentagon and another intended for the White House smashed into a Pennsylvania field, thanks to the heroic efforts of its passengers.

A few years after the suicide attack on the Twin Towers by this Islamist terror group, an amazing series of scenes, developed from folded U.S. currency, began to show up across the Internet.

A U.S. twenty dollar bill was folded in a manner that revealed the two burning towers set as the highest point among other buildings of a city, an interesting coincidence or an ancient warning? The same picture appears on either the old or the new 20-dollar bill but is more readily seen on the newer bill.

In Isaiah 30:v25, the prophet Isaiah warned Israel, "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall."

The Biblos reference interprets the words of the passage: "And there shall be upon every high gaboahh (gaw-bo'-ah) elevated (or elated), powerful, arrogant -- haughty, height, high(-er), lofty, proud, exceeding proudly."

The World Trade Center was certainly an indication of America's economic strength but its height was a symbol of her pride and arrogance.

Isaiah's prophecy does not fit the Assyrian or Babylonian sieges nor does it fit the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans. "Against the protestations of Jeremiah, years later Zedekiah rebelled against Babylon (2nd Babylonian seige). This time the siege of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar's armies lasted eighteen months, at which time the Babylonians broke through the walls-a day that is still commemorated in Judaism with a day of fasting and mourning."

Although the 70 AD Roman siege levels all of Jerusalem, it fails to meet the condition of rivers and streams of waters on every high hill. {12-21-09 Some translations say 'channels of water' that infers piping or ductwork, a condition only observed in modern times. - Ed} Additionally, the Tower defenders retreat underground during the battle: "After about three weeks of siege the third wall was breached by Roman forces, the Zealots immediately formed a new defense line around Herod's Palace, which was centered between three towers. When the Romans breached this line the soldiers in the towers fled underground.."

The Biblos continues: "in the day yowm (yome) a day (as the warm hours).." This portion of the passage predicts the Towers would fall during the daylight hours.

"of the great rab (rab) abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality)" The 3000 lives lost when the Towers collapsed are not a great quantity by ancient standards but were nearly 600 more lives than those lost during the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. The Twin Towers held the cream of the crop of the financial world and additionally support the word's allusion to rank and quality.

"fall naphal (naw-fal') to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative)" Failure of the structural steel from thermal fatigue due to the burning jet fuel would cause the Towers to fall and fits the usage of this passage.

Photo: The burning Pentagon

The prophesy predicts more than one tower would fall during the warm daylight hours at a time when streams of water would inhabit the high hills, conditions which the twin towers of the World Trade Center fit quite well.

In Genesis 22, v16-18 God states: "By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son...I will bless thee...and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies.. and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. "

This is not a generic blessing, i.e. available to any and all that obey God or simply because they're Christian; otherwise Lebanon, a former Christian nation would not have been swallowed up by Islam.

The Jews also obey God, keeping Old Testament law and observing the biblical holy days. When have the Jews possessed the gates of their enemies? The sea gates of Gibraltar, the Suez and Panama canals, the Falklands, and the straits of Hormuz?

Although God has orchestrated the rebirth of Israel in May of 1948 in fulfillment of the Ezekiel 38 {Correction 10-24-09 - Ezekiel 37 - Ed.} prophesy and ensured the survival of the nation in military victory after victory. ".. and his horns are like the horns of unicorns with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth; and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim and the thousands of Manasseh" - Deut 33:17 Nevertheless, the Jews do not have an unbroken line of success nor the great material wealth promised to Abraham's seed.

"Because of its combination of agricultural and mineral wealth, America was destined to lead the world in per capita wealth. Whether in grain or cattle or in its coal iron and petroleum production, America has had matchless bounty." - Tomorrow's World - 'United States and Britain in prophesy', p36.

God's promise to Abraham was passed down through Isaac to Jacob and to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. In Genesis 35:11, God tells Abraham that "..a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee.." In Genesis 48:19, Jacob passes the blessing onto Joseph's two sons with ascendancy given to Ephraim: "..but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations."

Jacob had four wives. Joseph is the elder son of Rachel while the Jews descend from Leah, her sister. So clearly God's blessing has been passed on to 'non-Jews' but yet the inheritors remain the seed of Abraham.

In Gen 27:29, we find that only two nations fit the biblical prophesy: "Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren.." Only America and Britain satisfy the necessary boundary conditions spelled out in God's complete promise to Abraham.

For the skeptics, what do you suppose the statistical probability is that any piece of paper in general circulation, engraved and printed decades before '9-11' could be folded into a series of depictions of a real event that shows three of the four actual targets and the name of the mastermind who planned it, as mere happenstance?

"..for I am God and there is non else...Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times the things that are not not yet done.." - Isaiah 46:9,10

God warns Jacob's sons in Leviticus 26, v15-16: "And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror.."

The hidden message on the $20 dollar bill affirms the warning from a benevolent God to the wayward and disobedient sons of Joseph and suggests the beginning of Jacob's trouble.

"Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep his charge, and his statues, and his judgements and his commandments, alway." - Deut 11:1.

by Anonymous

A few days ago, from her grave, I thought I heard Mary Jo Kopechne (July 26, 1940-July 18, 1969) call. "This year, I would have been 67 years old. As my only wish, please refresh your memory of me and my murderer."

"Sometime around midnight, on July 18, 1969 Kennedy drove his Oldsmobile 88 off of a small bridge on Chappaquiddick island, into eight feet of chilly water. The vehicle landed upside-down. While Kennedy managed to free himself from the wreck and swim to safety, his passenger, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne was left in the car to drown."

{"Leaving the scene of an accident is a felony. If someone dies it might even be manslaughter. This would be even more likely if the person who died could have been saved by a simple call to a rescue team...the accident at Dike Bridge on Chappaquiddick Island on July 18, 1969 probably cost Edward M. Kennedy the presidency. It certainly cost Mary Jo Kopechne her life." }

"Sen Kennedy told the police that he was driving Kopechne to the ferry after a party on the island when his car left the unfamiliar road."In the interview with John Farrar, the scuba diver who found Mary Jo, stated that engineers determined that Kennedy hit the water at between 35 to 40 mph, but Kennedy testified it was no more than 20 mph. Mary Jo took more than an hour to die, trapped in Kennedy's 1967 oldsmobile, in only 8 ft of salty water beneath Dike bridge.